These were two separate rock and roll singers from the 1960s. They make a very interesting story. There has been confusion among record collectors for decades.
Velvet is Jimmy Tennant, Velvit is James Mullins. They worked together in the early 60s, Tennant acting as manager for Mullins. Then they split due to disagreements.
Mullins started everything by recording We Belong Together in Texas in 1961. He was noticed, and became part of a tour with Chuck Berry. When American Bandstand tried to find him they couldn't locate him. Tennant then took his place, using the show name Jimmy Velvet. From there Tennant (Velvet) became the celebrity, and Mullins (Velvit) faded. Velvet became championned by Dick Clark. His own rendition of We Belong Together became a minor national top 100 hit, as well as his recording of It's Almost Tomorrow.
They are both still around and have kept doing occasional recording.
LEFT: JIMMY VELVET (TENNANT)
RIGHT: JIMMY VELVIT (MULLINS)
Velvet 201 single from 1963. Sung by Tennant, copying both sides of Mullins' previous single:
Notice that the label is printed with the name VELVIT, and it appears that the I has been changed with a marker into E. You can right-click and view an image larger. These are newly arranged by Bill Justis, which was not the case with Mullins' record. This is a hopelessly rare record. He released this on his own label, which did not get enough distribution. Feel free to post any knowledge you have.
When ABC-Paramount released his rendition nationally in 1963 as #10488, he put "History Of Love" on the other side, and never did I'm Gonna Try again.
We Belong Together by Jimmy Velvit (Mullins)
We Belong Together by Jimmy Velvet (Tennant)
I'm Gonna Try by Mullins
I'm Gonna Try by Tennant
Here are some Jimmy Velvet biographical notes from his obscure 1973 album "Blue Velvet". At the time he was still recording and releasing on his own "Music City Records". To view it separately more clearly, click on it.
Jimmy Velvit biographical notes from a 2000 CD "The Original Jimmy Velvit - Rockin' With Velvit ...the 1960s" on the Seduction label, #SCD-102. It's a good one to get, if only it were available.
There's a certain amount of lying or misinformation in the hit claims. Neither one of them had a national #1 hit, only local. And only Tennant appeared on the Billboard top 100 - his We Belong Together was #75 in 1963 on the ABC-Paramount label, and It's Almost Tomorrow was #93 in 1965 on the Philips label.
Jimmy Velvit's national releases
After releasing some songs and having local Dallas hits on the Division label, MGM's Cub label released two of them nationally:
Sometimes At Night /Look At Me ____1961 Cub #9100
We Belong Together /I'm Gonna Try __1962 Cub #9105
The James Velvet single
As if there wasn't enough confusion in this, Cub also released #9111 in 1962 by James Velvet. This was a completely different Motown negro singer. It contained Bouquet Of Flowers and When I Needed You.
Listen to samples of both sides:
James Velvet - Bouquet Of Flowers, When I Needed You
Tennant and Mullins working together
Here's a clue on how they worked together in the early 1960s.
Tennant actually became quite involved in the music business, and set up his own booking agency in Dallas. This poster shows one of his productions, which included Jimmy Velvit. This would be Mullins singing, not Tennant, before Tennant started using the Velvet name. Soon after this his venture folded and he returned to Florida.Recording engineer Phil York of Dallas has the only photo of the two Jimmys together, in the recording studio. We could use more information on their involvement at the time. Tennant doesn't mention Mullins in his book "Inside the Dream".
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18 comments:
I. George Toomer, was the drummer and harmonica player on the original Jimmy Velvit (James Mullins) MGM Cub label records.
As is usually the case in a sucessful record, the "star" went around the band to make side deals-- thereby cutting the band out of any royalties and future appearances.
The only thing that came from it was getting to play with Jimmy Reed
and other of my heroes.
The members of the band. Perry knippa (Bass) and others from part of the Gene Vincent Touring Band and from the Roy Orbison Band went on to musical careers--or prison!
George Toomer, you must have been recording in Dallas on the local label, before Cub released them nationally. No errors in my article? I also have his "Sometimes I Wonder" on the Alta label, which is almost the same as Sometimes At Night.
Can anyone shed more light on the sequence of events in those early years, the involvement and confusion with Tennant. Was Tennant involved with the Cub records?
I'm the guy who wrote the Wikipedia article on Jimmy Velvet.
Tennant has published his book "Inside the Dream". For me it's an import and haven't got it yet.
Perry Knippa, the bass player referenced in ezwhip's comment, is my dad. He neither went to prison nor had a musical career, per se, though he contined to play around town on the weekends. He is retired from Yellow Freight where he was a truck driver for 35 years. Sadly, his hearing is damaged and he is in the early stages of dementia.
On May 30, 2008 there was a show called "Rockin' Into Summer" that was held at the Lakewood theater, sponsored by local AM radio station KAAM, Buddy Boren and Cruisin' Al, the DJ that does the program "Saturday Night Sock Hop" on the station each Saturday night. Jimmy Velvit (James Mullins) was a featured preformer and sounds as good today as he ever did.
Was that in Dallas? His official website says he's in Oklahoma. And his CDs are reissued there.
get your information from ezwhip and skip the bio on Velvit's (mullins) own webpage.
We still hashing this? Five guys went with Jimmy Muillins to Seller's recording studio in Dallas (1961). We had never played with Jimmy and we had all played together for awhile--were acting as a studio band.
He had done a recording before getting us.
I played drums and harmonica (because his first recording sucked he had used the harmonic player from Bruce Chanel and sounded like a campfire player.) We recorded "Sometimes at Night" and "I'm gonna try". It was the first time I knew about over dubbing harmonica.
Our manager, Jim Lowe (WRR) played the record on his show and it did well...MGM Cub liked it and took our original. They sweetened it with violins and other background which we couldn't believe.. we then were asked to record "You're Mine"
which kinda sucked until Cub fixed it.
"Sometimes at Night" was the big hit in Texas (Top o' charts for 2 months) we did a lot of personal appearances and Matinees.
Mullins was an idiot with very little social savvy... as I've said before, he went around us and we lost (usual story).
I think the reason he disappeared and the other nosebleed ripped him off, was because he went to prison or jail (I heard).
Jimmy was not great-- we were not great-- we just had one of the first full tilt boogie, double throw down blues records done by white guys so it could be played on the radio.
It was fun while it lasted.
Hi I just want you all to know Jimmy Velit (James Mullins)is doing good and still singing ,He is living in Coalgate Ok and travels to Texas alot he is always on the move .I am his cousin so I know him well .Personaly I feel he was done wrong by this other guy that calls himself Jimmy he is a thife i belive and a copycat could he not do something with his own songs and NAME ?????If anyone has any of Jimmys old songs like, Happy go lucky me or Jack Frost lovin company,Im gona kill ya. anyway let me know I need copys mine burnt in a house fire all my 45s and belive me i cant find them or any
Thanks for the note Ronda. Jack Frost is on the Rockin With Velvit CD. When did he record Happy Go Lucky Me?
I just started an article at wikipedia on Velvit.
If anyone wants to give their email addresses privately I'd have to put this into "moderating" mode. Tell me you want to, I'll switch, and give your address, and say to keep it private. Then I can switch off moderating. (Too complicated. Google gives no way to send private messages)
Im not sure but I will ask him I talked to him today he is in Portarans Tx on his sail boat taken it easy right now thanks fr getting back with me you can find him on myspace too Im on his friends list you can get to me there or ill give you a email let me know
I've never registered at myspace because I didn't need it, but it's possible. This kind of job can get too big ... unless I can get something interesting out of it. Like a copy of his "The Original JV 1960-1964" on Collectables label. There's also a photo by Phil York of the two Jimmys together in the studio I haven't seen. I'd like more about that. We need to know that story.
I have a couple Alta label 45s and don't know if they came first or later.
Anything is posible I seen some for sale somewhere Ill check where and get back to you ,I have a card he gave me and I have some things from when he was in prison .He also has a web site under his name you can go look at if you havent .He still records and was touring with Johnny Rodrigis .
We were at "Rockin Into Summer". It was really fun. We thought Jimmy was great. We had fun after the show taking pictures with him and Gene Summers and Billy Joe Shine. We are going back for "Rockin Into Winter" where Jimmy will be there again.
Supposedly "Bouquet Of Flowers" / "When I Needed You" features background vocals by The Primettes aka The Supremes. An answers.com page on The Primettes credits them as singing on "We Belong Together" / "I'm Gonna Try" but presumably this is wrong as yoiu explain they are two different singers - they do sound very different on the samples. There is another incorrect credit on there. The Primettes that sang on James Dee & A Piece of The Action's "My Pride" is not the Supremes but another group called the Primettes. It says so in the liner notes of a compilation CD I have. However I'm not even totally sure it's them on Bouquet & "When I Need You" as there is some spoken lines on "When I Needed You" and it doesn't sound like Diana, Mary or Flo, but they were very young. r it could be the early fourth member, Barbara Martin. Confused!? Any answers to: markdtiller@hotmail.com http://www.answers.com/topic/the-primettes
Statement Withdrawal George Toomer
Had a chance to go see Jummy Velvet
in Dallas. Figured I'd go give him the "Evil Eye" about past dealings and supposed screw-overs...
Met him backstage... What a good guy. He said we were all young and dumb 40+ years ago... we hugged. I wished I had known him all these years.
He blew the house away.. voice as perfect as 40 yrs ago... plus a great ability to entertain the audience...up against some pretty hard competition== Ray Sharp (whom I also played with) Jimmy made him look silly.
Anyway-- no more bad mouth for Jimmy V. I'm proud to see he made it all these years.... yeah dude.
Thanks George Toomer. You say Velvet, which means Tennant.
Anyway, I'm still really interested in knowing how Tennant was involved with Mullins' recordings - that story line.
Good work to explore the 1960"s stars Jimmy Tennant and James Mullins
No, he meant Mullins. Ray and Jimmy are good friends.
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